Saga de literatura mediveval.

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Re: Saga de literatura mediveval.

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Argh! Yo acá no lo consigo, tendré que tirar de ePub nomás.
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Re: Saga de literatura mediveval.

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Puto gordo cabrón.

O mejor dicho, ¡primer!

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Muy frío me ha dejado el libro, muy frío. Lo peor es comprobar que en Amazon la gente opina lo mismo o que en Westeros también se nota cierta desilusión. Y no es para menos. No se trata de que hubiera mucha expectación y que simplemente el libro no llegúe a cumplirla. Tampoco es que Martins se nos desvele aquí como un escritor que juegue maquiavélicamente con el lector, haciéndole sufrir a base de frustar sus expectaciones pero dándole a cambio algo. No. El problema es, directamente, que el libro es flojo.

Con Festín de Cuervos ya hubo gruñidos, pero muchos los achacaron a que no aparecían tres personajes tan principales como John, Tyrion o Daenerys. Aquí sí se les encuentran pero no marcan ninguna diferencia, hasta el punto de que al final la gente está hablando de que los mejores capítulos son los de Theon, Davos o el epílogo. Cuando tus tres mejores espadas no causan más que sopor o cansancio, es que hay un problema.

Para mí viene de varias cosas. Por una parte, noto demasiado capítulo de relleno. Los primeros libros conseguían ser muy dinámicos a través de ir contando una historia entre varios personajes, sin tener que dar cuenta "en directo" de lo que estaba ocurriendo en todo momento. Aquí, directamente, hay capítulos que se solapan con los de Festín de Cuervos o que en otra época se habría ventilado de un plumazo. Por otra parte, a Martins se le ve el cartón. Intenta meterse en unos berenjenales literarios que con su forma de escribir no le da. Los intentos de introspección psicológica con Daenerys o el ataque de literatura de viaje que le da con Tyrion fracasan bastante. Y por último, la saga está llevando muy mal lo de tener tantos frentes abiertos, cada vez más dispersos y a veces pobremente manejados. Demasiada muerte de personaje x como recurso magistral y demasiado corte en falso de ciertas historias, algo que indigna bastante al saberse que hubo algunos capítulos finales que los cortaron para incluirlos en el siguiente. Sin contar, claro está, que sacarse un Targaryen de la manga no queda nada creíble.

Así que nada. Libro de transición flojo (como si lo de transición fuera algo malo, cuando Bakker con The White Luck Warrior le ha dado sopas con hondas a Martins este año), que deja esperando al siguiente con un punto de desilusión, que al menos ofrece cierta carnaza para la discusión friki más absoluta (¿El asesino del Pequeño Frey es Master Luwin, que sobrevivió y se refugió en las criptas de Invernalia¿ ¿Bolton ha capado a Theon?) y consigue encumbrar a Victarion Greyjoy como personaje más molón del mundo mundial y a Quentyn Martell como el mayor epic fail de la historia de la literatura.

Hell yeah.

Dicho lo cual, si alguien quiere salvar la saga, que por Dios obligue al puto gordo a matar a Daenerys. Que hartazgo y estupidez de mujer.

- Uy, mis dragones se hacen grandes y comen todo lo que pillan de por medio.
- QUE SON DRAGONES, ZORRA.
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Re: Saga de literatura mediveval.

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Todavía no terminé de leer el nuevo, así que me salto olímpicamente el post mclaudiano y comento que venía a dejar esto por acá:

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Que por cierto, es de los 60's.
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¡SEGUNDO!!1!

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Mira que me cuesta, me cuesta y me jode, pero si, esta vez tengo que estar de acuerdo con Gaitaman, el libro es bastante flojón, plagado de capítulos de relleno que restan de la trama y que parece que estuvieran ahí solo para hacer más largo aún el libro.

Sobre todo los de Daenerys, que debe ser la que más capítulos propios tiene en todo el libro y la mitad parecen calcados uno con el otro. A ver, yo no pienso que haya que matarla, creo que es un personaje que puede dar muchísimo jugo y que está muy bien desarrollado, incluso tampoco me molesta que pase de conquistadora imparable a reina totalmente insegura, porque es parte del personaje y algo que Martin ya mostró con Robert Baratheon, que es una cosa ganar el poder y otra cosa muy distinta conservarlo, pero no hacía falta alargar tanto la historia ni darle tantos capítulos para decir siempre lo mismo, especialmente cuando se saca al otro Targaryen de la manga. Que por cierto, el apellido de Tyrion debería ser Holmes, no Lannister, viendo como lo descubre.

El resto de los personajes que deberían ser los fuertes del libro, como bien dijo Mclaud, están como en transición, lo cual no es malo, pero no ayuda a que el libro enganche más. Eché en falta algunos capítulos más de Arya, que junto con los de Theon, Victarion y alguno de Jon, fueron los que más me gustaron. Y podrían haber puesto alguno más de Bran cerca del final, que parece que se olvidara completamente de él y no caería mal una actualización para ver como va avanzando.

En cuanto a las habilidades como escritor del gordo cabrón, yo es el primero de los libros que leo en inglés y no sé como será en los anteriores, pero me dió la impresión de que el tipo aprendió la palabra "mummer" y la quería meter en todo, habría que contar cuantas veces por capítulo la mete, que alguien le regale un diccionario de sinónimos, s'il vous plait.
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Re: Saga de literatura mediveval.

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¿Nadie va a comentar nada?
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De la serie? Capítulo correcto, introduciendo las situaciones aun.

Tyrion sigue siendo el puto amo.

Me gustó el detalle de la conversación entre Meñique y Cersei y la matanza

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Re: Saga de literatura mediveval.

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Yo es que todavía no vi ninguno de los dos, pero me sorprendía no haber visto comentarios.
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uh, dos?

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